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Banned user is featured host
Hey y'all. I saw a host, User:Iljhgtn, and was curious, so I clicked on their photo. Apparently, their account was banned for being a sockpuppet(the sockmaster is also banned). I've gone ahead and removed them from the featured host list, and based on what I've seen, I think that should remove them from the rotation.
To keep tradition with the last time a host was removed, I've replaced them with User:Cullen328 as a placeholder.
Best, PolarClimates (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- It would probably be good to set up the featured host system so that we can have an arbitrary number, rather than having a system where we need to maintain a constant number (leading to the need for placeholders like this). Cheers, Sdkb talk 15:15, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- I believe we were already over this not too long ago, but the more I think about it the less fond I am of the featured hosts system. Most of the images used are a bit jarring... The AI-generated animal is particularly egregious. I think they're nice when people use an actual photo of themselves, but understandably, most editors aren't into that. And this is the second time recently that we've featured a blocked user... See here. Not a great look. -- MediaKyle (talk) 15:39, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- I also find the AI generated animal to be distasteful (I assume you mean Sdkb's image - no offense, Sdkb).
- Aside from that, I think it's best if hosts are using either a picture of themselves, or a picture of something that's meant to represent them. It also wouldn't hurt to look through the entire list of featured hosts and update it. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 08:49, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- Here is my proposal for replacing inactive hosts:
- Cullen328 (due to him being a placeholder, there are two of him on the list) -> Nil NZ
- David NotMD (he hasn't edited in close to a year) -> Mmemaigret
- I would also like to be added (replacing Tenryuu, who hasn't answered a question since June and hasn't edited since December) as I have been answering questions for a few months now, but considering I only recently officially added myself to the list of hosts, I understand if this is unable to be done. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- I certainly have no objection to my duplicate listing being removed. I think that indefinitely blocked editors should be removed from the list immediately by any editor without discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not fluent enough with wiki text and JavaScript to do this, but I wonder if it's possible to write a script that automatically selects featured hosts based on activity In the Teahouse. That would solve the blocked user issue, and for the images, the bot running the script could send a talk page message. PolarClimates (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- I think that we could probably manage the list of featured hosts manually, so long as we had an efficient means by which to do it. I do have some ideas for a rework of the featured host rotation. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 21:06, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, yes, an update system for featured hosts would be better, but, for the time being, what do you guys think of my proposal? Do you guys think any other old featured hosts should be removed? Mikeycdiamond (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'd say be bold and do it. You've given other editors and teahouse hosts ample time to ponder the changes 🙂 PolarClimates (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Nil NZ @Mmemaigret You guys haven't officially adding your names to the list of hosts. Please add them so I can move it to the list of featured hosts. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 15:35, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Mikeycdiamond I've done that now. Thanks. Mme Maigret (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- I added the both of us. Once Nil NZ makes a profile on the host page, I'll add them. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- Done! Thanks for the prompting, I was probably overdue to add myself 😅 nil nz 03:42, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- I added you to the featured host list. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 13:06, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- Done! Thanks for the prompting, I was probably overdue to add myself 😅 nil nz 03:42, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- I added the both of us. Once Nil NZ makes a profile on the host page, I'll add them. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Mikeycdiamond I've done that now. Thanks. Mme Maigret (talk) 22:55, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Nil NZ @Mmemaigret You guys haven't officially adding your names to the list of hosts. Please add them so I can move it to the list of featured hosts. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 15:35, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'd say be bold and do it. You've given other editors and teahouse hosts ample time to ponder the changes 🙂 PolarClimates (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Well, yes, an update system for featured hosts would be better, but, for the time being, what do you guys think of my proposal? Do you guys think any other old featured hosts should be removed? Mikeycdiamond (talk) 13:09, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- I think that we could probably manage the list of featured hosts manually, so long as we had an efficient means by which to do it. I do have some ideas for a rework of the featured host rotation. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 21:06, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not fluent enough with wiki text and JavaScript to do this, but I wonder if it's possible to write a script that automatically selects featured hosts based on activity In the Teahouse. That would solve the blocked user issue, and for the images, the bot running the script could send a talk page message. PolarClimates (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
- Feel free to remove me from the list. I've been busy with other life things and have reduced my time on Wikipedia to almost nothing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:25, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- I certainly have no objection to my duplicate listing being removed. I think that indefinitely blocked editors should be removed from the list immediately by any editor without discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
Featured host system rework proposal
I mentioned above that I have some ideas for how to update the featured host rotation. I'd like to share my vision here:
Instead of using the random subpage template, we make a custom template for the featured host rotation. The template would display a random host from a list written into the template itself. The list wouldn't have a fixed size.
The hosts displayed are still transcluded from subpages, but the subpages are named after the hosts rather than being numbered. For example, my featured host page would be located at /Host/Featured/MEN KISSING or at /Host/Featured/MenK, rather than at /Host/Featured/21. Those subpage names would be what the template uses for transclusion, so the list in the template would be easy to read and thus easy to change.
Under this system, I think it would be a lot easier for the list of featured hosts to accurately represent the hosts who are currently actively participating at the Teahouse:
- Putting a host in the rotation would no longer require finding an inactive host in the rotation to replace, since the list wouldn't have a fixed size.
- Removing a host from the rotation would no longer require finding a suitable host to replace them, since the list wouldn't have a fixed size.
- Removing a host from the rotation would leave their subpage intact, so it'd be very easy to add them back later. This means hosts could be delisted if they go on wikibreak, and be relisted afterwards with no hassle.
- In cases like Iljhgtn's, we could delist them immediately and WP:PROD their subpage if necessary (or leave it alone, per WP:DENY).
I'll probably mess around making a prototype for it in my sandbox. I think it'd actually be very easy to implement with just templates, and it wouldn't be hard to write some Lua for it either. I could also come up with some advice on what the protocol would be for maintaining the host rotation. Let me know what y'all think! MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:41, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- Yes, not having a fixed size would be a direct improvement. Sdkb talk 04:50, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't support this. Firstly, if there is an unlimited amount of slots, everyone who spends any time at the Teahouse will want to be added to the list. If everyone is on the list, the featured hosts are no longer the most active, distinguished members of the Teahouse, but a randomly selected list of active and inactive members.
- As the list of featured hosts gets longer and longer, we will also have to maintain it. The need to maintain the list, removing inactive members, will lead to the same exact discussions we are currently having. We will shift from finding replacements to sorting a long list of inactive reviewers. Also, the need to replace hosts is rare occurrence and finding inactive hosts isn't hard. The swap doesn't take much time, making automating it useless.
- The subpage is just a copy of their Teahouse host section, which will always to readily available, and only requires a copy-paste to turn into a featured host subpage. The template is already preserved in a separate location, so there isn't a need to preserve it in a second place. The featured host system, while requiring an update around once per year, is perfectly fine. Changing it would be an unnecessary hassle that would make the system as a whole worse. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 17:49, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- Maybe we could create a basic process/requirements for requesting one be added to the host list, so that not everyone will pile onto the list? And maybe create a definition of inactive (e.g. has not edited at the Teahouse for X time) to make it so that we don't have to discuss every removal? Sdkb talk 20:27, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
- Wasn't the whole point of this proposal to save time? It takes much more time to have editors review requests and monitor for inactive hosts than to have 1 discussion per year. Do we really want to pull editors from more important tasks to review requests to join a mostly symbolic list? Simplicity is best; we shouldn't overly complicate the featured host list. The more complex we make it, the more time it takes to maintain it. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't think there to be a requests system. Editors should add themselves to the list if they meet some criteria, and they can be removed by other active Teahouse hosts who have it on their watchlist if they didn't actually meet those criteria.
- I'd like to point out, picking a random host from a list to display is a lot easier and simpler than I thought it would be. And it would be compatible with our current system; we could just list the existing featured host subpages that end in numbers.
- There can be an upper limit to the number of featured hosts. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 00:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- Again, we run into the problem of over complication to solve a non-problem. The root cause of this proposal--attempting to eliminate the host replacement system--, is a non-problem. I took me around 5 minutes to replace 3 hosts; it isn't that hard to do. Under the new system, it will take much more time. First an editor has to figure out how to create a subpage, rather than use one of the readily available ones. Next, another editor has to independently verify that they meet the criteria, and revert the person who added themselves if they don't meet the criteria. After that, people have to go through the list every so often to check that everyone on it meets the activity criteria. That takes much longer than replacing 1 or 2 people every year when someone wants to be added to the list. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 11:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- I believe the main issue with the system isn't time. It's the issue of finding replacements for other users, which requires permission from another member. The problem isn't when someone wants to be added; its when someone needs to be removed. PolarClimates (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Finding replacements isn't a problem. There are always users--like Men Kissing, Sdkb, and myself--that want to be added to the Teahouse to be recognized for their efforts and placeholders. Blocked users being on the list are an extremely rare occurrence that has only happened twice to my knowledge. Considering all of the users on the list are already well-established users, it is unlikely to happen ever again. Even if it does happen, we can use placeholders until another user inevitably wants to be added to the list to be recognized for their efforts. With inactive users, we don't need to immediately replace them. We can leave inactive users on the list until another user wants to take their place. Either way, we already have solutions for all of the problems that this proposal solves; no need to overcomplicate the process. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 12:27, 28 April 2026 (UTC)
- I believe the main issue with the system isn't time. It's the issue of finding replacements for other users, which requires permission from another member. The problem isn't when someone wants to be added; its when someone needs to be removed. PolarClimates (talk) 16:29, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
- Again, we run into the problem of over complication to solve a non-problem. The root cause of this proposal--attempting to eliminate the host replacement system--, is a non-problem. I took me around 5 minutes to replace 3 hosts; it isn't that hard to do. Under the new system, it will take much more time. First an editor has to figure out how to create a subpage, rather than use one of the readily available ones. Next, another editor has to independently verify that they meet the criteria, and revert the person who added themselves if they don't meet the criteria. After that, people have to go through the list every so often to check that everyone on it meets the activity criteria. That takes much longer than replacing 1 or 2 people every year when someone wants to be added to the list. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 11:16, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- Wasn't the whole point of this proposal to save time? It takes much more time to have editors review requests and monitor for inactive hosts than to have 1 discussion per year. Do we really want to pull editors from more important tasks to review requests to join a mostly symbolic list? Simplicity is best; we shouldn't overly complicate the featured host list. The more complex we make it, the more time it takes to maintain it. Mikeycdiamond (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2026 (UTC)
- Maybe we could create a basic process/requirements for requesting one be added to the host list, so that not everyone will pile onto the list? And maybe create a definition of inactive (e.g. has not edited at the Teahouse for X time) to make it so that we don't have to discuss every removal? Sdkb talk 20:27, 22 April 2026 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Teahouse/HostBot Invitation on mobile website
In mobile website (skin Minerva Neue), there are two issues in Wikipedia:Teahouse/HostBot Invitation: 1) the Teahouse logo is tiny (an issue that plagued many *mboxes some time ago); and 2) the text is very narrow due to wide left and right margins (4em on either side). These issues also apply to User:KiranBOT/Teahouse archival notification, which has the same layout.
I tried some stuff at Wikipedia:Teahouse/HostBot Invitation/sandbox, which is a bit more readable on mobile – the Teahouse logo is visible, and it doesn't squish the text. Someone better versed in CSS could probably come up with something that doesn't also ruin its look on the desktop.
CSS like @media (min-width: 720px) (example from Module:Message_box/tmbox.css#L-84--L-70) could probably be used to make it look better on different screen sizes, but I don't know if there is a good way of doing it in a substituted template (i.e. without TemplateStyles). See also Wikipedia:Teahouse/HostBot Invitation/testcases. —andrybak (talk) 20:10, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
Replacing user as featured host
Hi all,
I noticed that the host at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host/Featured/21, Anatole-berthe (talk · contribs), has not posted at the Teahouse since June of last year. Their talk page also indicates that they do not intend to be active as a host at the Teahouse anymore.
As a replacement, I've put myself in as the featured host in slot 21. If anyone objects to this, feel free to replace me with a different active host. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 08:04, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
Who is able to close a discussion?
I responded to a query and two editors, including the OP, referred me to WP policies. Meadowlark Nebulous2357,
However, neither of them pinged me allowing me to comment and, shortly afterwards, the OP, who I'm pretty sure isn't a host, closed the discussion, which now prevents me from responding.
Are they (ie the OP) able to close the discussion? As a host, can I reopen it? Thanks Mme Maigret (talk) 05:40, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- I think that you would be allowed to re-open it, as the discussion was not resolved. Please see: Wikipedia:Advice on closing discussions and Wikipedia:Closing discussions. (Note that neither of them are a policy, only best practices for closing discussions). BSH (talk) - (they/them) 11:36, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
- To clarify further, I believe that anyone is allowed to close a discussion, but what you are describing does not sound like it should have been closed. BSH (talk) - (they/them) 11:37, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
"Ask a question" button
It looks like there's no border radius around the "Ask a question" button anymore. There weren't any edits that seem to have caused this, so not sure what happened or whether it's also happening for others or how to fix it. Sdkb talk 20:14, 27 April 2026 (UTC)
New convenience template for Autobiography requests
When people ask to write an autobiography, I generated {{THAUTO}} based on similar {{THYFA}}. Would welcome your feedback and responsible editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:30, 3 May 2026 (UTC)
- Nice work, this seems like it could be really helpful for common Teahouse questions. I like that it gives a clear explanation without sounding too harsh. The overall idea looks solid to me. Ferdous 09:01, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
Russian vandal
Is there something we can do about the user who keeps vandalizing the Teahouse with their various disturbing questions in Russian with different TAs? Block the IP range, or semi-protect the Teahouse? They've made at least 9 of these edits since 21:54, 4 May 2026. 🏳️🌈JohnLaurens333 (Ping me!) 15:51, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- Make that ten. 🏳️🌈JohnLaurens333 (Ping me!) 16:06, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- another, was dealt with by someone else. Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 16:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
- Hopped to Another temp... Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 16:28, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
- another, was dealt with by someone else. Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 16:27, 7 May 2026 (UTC)
- We should avoid semi-protecting the teahouse if we can; I'll see what blocks I can make. CoconutOctopus talk 16:06, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- They're jumping around proxies, but they're not that active and it's easy enough to revert so I think WP:DENY and blocking when they do pop up is best for now. If they do pick up the pace then try WP:RFPP CoconutOctopus talk 16:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- I would say to ignore them, rollback their edits if possible, and don't really interact. We should definitely avoid protecting the teahouse if possible. BSH (talk) - (she/her) 16:43, 6 May 2026 (UTC)
- I agree that semi-protecting the Teahouse should be the last option. Blocking the accounts/IPs when needed seems like the best approach for now. Ferdous 08:57, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
- Why don't we just edit filter this? Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 13:19, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Starlet147 I know very little about edit filters. Is that a viable option here? Who is able to do that? 🏳️🌈JohnLaurens333 (Ping me!) 19:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- I’m just throwing things at the wall, but I feel like an edit filter against random Russian at the tea house might be ok. It might be something needed if this continues, (also edit filter mangagers can edit filters and create them.) Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 19:46, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- I wouldn't like the optics of that personally. We do occasionally get genuine questions in other languages, and that's OK. Just ignore and revdel until they go away. Talking about it more is probably a bad idea, reading this might serve as encouragement for them. MediaKyle (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- I’m just throwing things at the wall, but I feel like an edit filter against random Russian at the tea house might be ok. It might be something needed if this continues, (also edit filter mangagers can edit filters and create them.) Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 19:46, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Starlet147 I know very little about edit filters. Is that a viable option here? Who is able to do that? 🏳️🌈JohnLaurens333 (Ping me!) 19:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- Why don't we just edit filter this? Starlet! (Need to talk?) (Library) (Sandbox) 13:19, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
- It may just be a troll but their posts(translated) suggest they are trying to avoid being conscripted and/or going to Ukraine. 331dot (talk) 14:49, 8 May 2026 (UTC)
Can we not use AI-generated images in the "featured hosts" area?
Not only does it look cheap, but it contradicts the general consensus against AI that Wikipedia has. A new person coming to this forum may have the impression that generative AI is okay to use on the project. There's also the fact that it does not look professional or welcoming in any capacity. I'm not raving to meet @Sdkb:'s lemur with a macbook on the Teahouse, I'd hope to just be greeted by him. jolielover♥talk 09:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- I agree. That should have been removed a long time ago. MediaKyle (talk) 10:21, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Jolielover, I use they/them pronouns on Wikipedia. I'd like for newcomers to be able to meet actual me, but like most Wikipedians, I am pseudonymous, thus the use of a whimsical avatar that doesn't depict any actual info about me.
- I'd hope we'd have a bit more of a nuanced view here. Particularly, the main problem with AI images is the potential to confuse them with reality. But that concern doesn't apply to an avatar depicting a scene that could never exist in reality. The only thing a reasonable newcomer should infer is that it's acceptable to use an AI avatar on their userpage, which it is.
- Yes, many Wikipedians are skeptical of AI, but it is not true that there is a
general consensus against AI
, nor does my avatar violate any of the existing AI guidance to my knowledge. If there develops a consensus against using it for avatars, I'll change it back to the photograph I used prior (it just wouldn't be my preference because I like the whimsicality of having the lemur be editing Wikipedia). Also, I used AI just because it's a tool that could make an illustration I could not by myself, rather than out of any particular attachment to it, so if anyone wants to hand-craft an illustration of a lemur editing Wikipedia of sufficiently high quality I'd happily switch to using that. - Until then, I'd ask that you respect the deference userspace guidance provides to editors to choose their own avatars, which de facto extends to the use of those avatars in the gallery. Cheers, Sdkb talk 11:06, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- I was unaware of that, if you have a specific preference, I would recommend attaching that to your profile. The main problem with them is the extensive environmental damage. My consensus statements comes from Wikipedia:Artificial intelligence, which shows that using AI is clearly unpopular and prohibited in many parts/aspects of Wikipedia. I am aware that it is not prohibited for this scenario, I'm just showing that there's already precedence for its unpopularity. Regardless, this doesn't address the way that it looks cheap & shoddy for a host to be using it to depict themselves in a help forum, especially considering the prohibition of AI-generated images in mainspace in most scenarios. It's just incredibly bizarre to see an AI lemur attached to a host's name. You can do whatever on your userpage, but I feel like the images in the Teahouse gallery should have some regulation, because to me, it doesn't feel inviting. I'll be happy to start the campaign to amend the "deference userspace guidance", or just for the Teahouse gallery. jolielover♥talk 12:04, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- Sdkb, this is not the first time this has come up. Your avatar bothers your colleagues. Regardless of the reason, it wouldn't hurt you to change it, and it would look better on you to do it yourself as opposed to waiting until it's removed by consensus. I don't think this is going to go away... I personally feel offended every time I'm forced to look at AI slop. MediaKyle (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2026 (UTC)
- Sdkb:
You should check Wikimedia Commons' guideline on AI generated images. See Commons:COM:AI: "only media that are realistically useful for an educational purpose should be hosted on Commons. Just because an AI image is interesting, pretty, or looks like a work of art, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily within the scope of Commons.
"- I think you might be missing the point here. The problem with AI generated images is not mainly that there is potential to
confuse them with reality
. It's a much more complicated issue than that, and I would argue that lots of people just don't like looking at AI generated images very much, due to the negative associations with AI as a whole. You're free to have your own opinions on the matter, but I encourage you to listen to your fellow hosts here. - I don't agree that userspace guidance is what rules over the Teahouse featured host rotation.
- MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 02:48, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Sorry, @MEN KISSING, but Commons is a completely separate project, and I'm a bit confused as to why you're saying their rules actually impact us here? Commons can set whatever scope they like -- but even if the image was out of scope on Commons, SDKB is more than free to upload the file locally. TWe literally have Template:Esoteric file for these sorts of cases; files of little to no Commons-value, but useful here. Again though, not completely sure it's relevant -- that guideline is a bit oversimplified from my recollection of the local discussions, and don't trump commons:COM:SCOPE, from my experience with DRs, which does allow for active editors to have a limited number of personal, non-education files, for use on stuff like their userpage.
- And, in terms of offensiveness - @MediaKyle, I'm vegan. I'm personally offended every time I see somebody with a dead animal, or with a boiled and fried. otherwise desecrated corpse of a dead animal. I think people should still be allowed to have, idk, a hotdog as their teahouse host avatar if they like. Ditto with fast fashion - it's personally incredibly offensive to me, but I ain't forcing people to remove their tshirts before they take their host picture. I don't like AI either, but my personal advice is, when it comes to stuff like this - get used to it when it comes to avatars. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 03:16, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'm aware; I mentioned it because the images in question are hosted on Commons. If they were hosted locally, that guideline wouldn't apply. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 03:40, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- If you'd like to make an argument that Commons policies dictate that the image should be deleted, then you're welcome to start a DR. At Commons. At which point, it could easily be exported here. Which I'm not sure it would be -- again, Commons is mellow, and, from my experience in DRs, if a file is in use by an active contributor, not spam, and doesn't pose a copyright issue, it's typically going to be kept. That was a point of contentious when F10 was being amended, irrc, because people were worried that people would try and tag images like this one for speedy deletion, when the community doesn't believe, by and large, that these are out of scope. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 03:47, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- And, not to get on you,@MEN KISSING , or anybody else in this discussion -- but your Teahouse host is literally of an animal in the Sunshine Aquarium. Zoos in general aren't always great, animal welfare wise -- zoos in Japan specifically are often really not good. (That's the subject of one of my GAs) Sunshine Aquariums isn't an exception -- it's obvious from the image you've chosen alone that that cage way to small for that anteater. It's in a shopping mall. Speaking with perhaps a bit less tact, because I really don't like animal abuse -- the fact that anybody could be more worried about an AI generated animal than an animal being kept in a tiny enclosure in a shopping mall is... well, let's just say offensive. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 03:55, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- GLL, I fear you've misunderstood my intentions with bringing up that Commons policy. I have absolutely no intention of attempting to get the file deleted there myself. I was just responding to the "
... nor does my avatar violate any of the existing AI guidance to my knowledge
" part of Sdkb's response, pointing out guidance that might be relevant. - Responding to your second message just now, I... hadn't realized that. You make a good argument that I should change the picture out, and I'll make an effort to find a picture of the same species in a more natural habitat once I have some more spare time. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:02, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Note that Sdkb's lemurs were brought to Commons deletion review in July 2024 and speedy kept. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 04:02, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oh! I hadn't seen that. Again, I want to be clear that I was not trying to say "your lemurs must be deleted", I just wanted to bring up some guidance that seems relevant for those files in particular. I'm not familiar enough with Commons' policies to determine for myself if the images were out of scope. Maybe it was silly to bring it up that point at all; I'll strike it. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:15, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- If you'd like to make an argument that Commons policies dictate that the image should be deleted, then you're welcome to start a DR. At Commons. At which point, it could easily be exported here. Which I'm not sure it would be -- again, Commons is mellow, and, from my experience in DRs, if a file is in use by an active contributor, not spam, and doesn't pose a copyright issue, it's typically going to be kept. That was a point of contentious when F10 was being amended, irrc, because people were worried that people would try and tag images like this one for speedy deletion, when the community doesn't believe, by and large, that these are out of scope. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 03:47, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- I'm aware; I mentioned it because the images in question are hosted on Commons. If they were hosted locally, that guideline wouldn't apply. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 03:40, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
Headings on Hosts page
Does anyone know why the bottom three entries on Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts have visible (level 2?) headings while the earlier ones don't? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 04:23, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- That page transcludes the list of hosts from Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host landing. The headings are all wrapped in noinclude tags, except for the latest ones. They aren't added in automatically via the "become a host" button; they were probably last added manually by me, when I fixed an issue causing the list of hosts to not properly transclude due to a misplaced noinclude tag. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Ah, no, it was one "Pyrrhic victor" who fixed that up last. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have no clue why the noinclude tag isn't automatically included from the button, but it's easy enough to manually fix. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- The button takes you to the "add new section" page for /Host landing with Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host preload already loaded as default text. The section header text comes from the "subject" field of the add new section page, so it's impossible to get any text above it.
- I suppose it would be possible if the preload body text had a /noinclude tag at the top and a noinclude tag at the bottom, plus, a /noinclude placed at the very bottom of /Host landing such that new sections somehow are added above it, to close off the hanging noinclude from the most recently added host.
- You would also need some way of having the noinclude tags of the /Host preload page included in the loaded text. Which is a problem, because they are designed not to do that. I'm sure there's a way to get around that, though (and if anyone knows what it is, that'd be swell!)
- I'm sure there's someone out there who would know how to do all of this in less than a minute, but any more effort than that is too much effort. Manually updating the page is fine for now. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 21:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Yep, one of the few times the if it aint broke don't fix it philosophy works. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 00:56, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, I have no clue why the noinclude tag isn't automatically included from the button, but it's easy enough to manually fix. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
- Ah, no, it was one "Pyrrhic victor" who fixed that up last. MEN KISSING (she/they) Talk to me, I don't bite! - See my edits 04:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC)