Ski jumping personal best, hill record, world record

Personal best, hill records and WRs achieved in cancelled rounds actually do count Sportomanokin (talk) 21:59, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Greetings all, just offering input. Could User:Snowflake91 provide a source which says jump distances are invalidated following a cancelled competition? It seems a bit nonsensical. Granted, results/positions make sense to nullify (rather like a no contest), but distances... I mean, logically, how can they be expunged from records that, according to the FIS, do not even exist offically? Freitag cannot very well 'un-jump' 227.5m. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 23:14, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

A lot of German media outlets claimed that 227.5 for Freitag is unofficial, and that German national record stands at 216 m. If the second round is cancelled after a few competitors, then all results from that round are void like they never happened, obviously. If someone jumps 260 m but get DQ for too long skis, would the record stand just because they landed? No. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:01, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Hmm, bit of a dodgy analogy. If a jump is thrown out because of technical infringements like an illegal suit or skis, that makes perfect sense. But if the jump itself was perfectly legal despite the comp itself being rendered void... I don't see how they're inclusive. They won't get a scoring position out of it, but their (legal) jump was witnessed by all.

Is this is the same 'rule' that states no PBs or WRs set in trial training rounds can be official? That also makes no sense: Romøren and Ingebrigsten's WRs at Planica 2005's trial round were never in question. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 11:38, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

We should use official FIS information anyway, and yesterday, during the television coverage, the graphics said PB: 227.5 m when Freitag was competing, so its official I guess. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Table of the timeline of participation at the Olympic Games

About the Slovenian participation at the Olympics, it’s good to know about how the nation participated before gaining independence. The nation was a part of Yugoslavia and the Slovenian people won medals for the nation. If you want, I can reduce the table focusing more on Slovenia. Mkess300 (talk) 11:13, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

@Mkess300: Then add only stuff before 1991, why on earth are you adding 1994 UN ban on serbia, split about serbia / montenegro, kosovo, macedonia, who cares about that, this is article about SLOVENIA at the olympics, not "history of all ex-yu countries at the olympics after 1992". Snowflake91 (talk) 11:26, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

If you look at Serbia at the Olympics this table existed before I copied it to all the other ex-YUG countries, but fine, I can reduce all of them to focus specifically on each one, except for Yugoslavia itself. Mkess300 (talk) 11:31, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

I don't care what Serbia article has, it was added there without any discussion, and Serbia does not have "featured list" status, do not just copy paste stuff from article to article. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:39, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

who said I can’t? If it’s related to the subject then I add it Mkess300 (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

No its not related at all, as I said the United Nations ban on Serbia (!?) is COMPLETELY unrelated to Slovenia, the fact that the Serbia and Montenegro split in 2006 is COMPLETELY irrelevant to Slovenia, the fact that Kosovo split in 2008 is COMPLETELY irrelevant to Slovenia, all edits like that will be reverted. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:01, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Ok, I get the idea, and I will fix it right away.

I’ll do the same for the rest of the countries Mkess300 (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

Question regarding my edits on Johor Darul Ta'zim page

Hi Snowflake, I noticed that you reverted my edits regarding the stadium history of JDT. I spent a lot of time researching the facts from 1972 (PKENJ FC/Johor FC) to the current Sultan Ibrahim Stadium. I would like to re-add the Coordinates for Sultan Ibrahim Stadium to align with the professional standards seen on Manchester City's page. I also plan to include a section and image for the Boys of Straits (B.O.S). They are an integral part of the club's history and regional football culture. Could you please let me know what was wrong so I can improve it according to Wikipedia's rules? I believe the information is accurate and has proper references. Soggy15 (talk) 09:58, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Galleries of former crests cannot be used like that per Wikipedia non-free content policies, and the current crest is licensed for usage only once in the article (in infobox at the top of the page). Snowflake91 (talk) 09:59, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi Snowflake, thanks for getting back to me.I sorry for the previous edits I realize now that some of the content I added might not have met Wikipedia's neutral point of view or formatting guidelines. I am still learning the ropes here.However,I’d like to re-add the stadium coordinates and the club stadium history from 1972 (PKENJ FC) since those are basic facts.I also want to include the section for the Boys of Straits (B.O.S) and a photo of them, as they are an essential part of the club’s identity.I’ll make sure to use a neutral tone and provide proper citations this time so it follows Wikipedia's standards. Soggy15 (talk) 10:08, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

The photo and coordinates are now already in the article it seems, while if you wan't to write about fans that could be a problem because the content would need to be sourced to reliable, secondary sources, which would be hard to find for stuff like B.O.S probably. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:13, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Fair point. Finding verifiable sources for ultras can be tricky. I'll hold off on that part for now to ensure the article stays up to standard Soggy15 (talk) 10:16, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Question regarding my edit on JDT page

Hi Snowflake,I am writing to clarify the historical connection between Johor Darul Ta'zim (JDT) and Pasir Gudang Corporation Stadium. The claim that there is 'no evidence' is incorrect due to the club's lineage. In 2013, the current JDT was rebranded from Johor FC (a club founded in 1972 as PKENJ FC). Prior to the rebranding and the move to Larkin Stadium, Johor FC's primary home ground for over a decade was Pasir Gudang Stadium. Furthermore, after the 2013 restructuring, the feeder club JDT II continued to use Pasir Gudang Stadium as their official venue for Malaysia Premier League matches.Records from the 2012 Malaysia Super League clearly show Johor FC (now JDT) hosting matches at Pasir Gudang Stadium. Soggy15 (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

I am providing a reliable secondary source from a major Malaysian news outlet, mStar (by The Star Media Group), dated Feb 16, 2012, which explicitly confirms that Johor FC (the club that was rebranded into the current JDT in 2013) played its home matches at Pasir Gudang Corporation Stadium (Stadium MBPG)

source:Https://www.mstar.com.my/sukan/2012/02/16/piala-fa-tteam-turun-sebagai-underdog-hadapi-johor-fc-sabtu-ini

The article states:Perlawanan Johor FC menentang T-Team akan berlangsung di Stadium Majlis Bandaraya Pasir Gudang (MBPG) Sabtu ini.

This proves the historical link between the JDT project and Pasir Gudang Stadium. I am reinstating this information with the proper citation. Please do not remove verified historical facts again." Soggy15 (talk) 10:53, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

It was probably just used for some cup games from time to time, Larkin Stadium was always the main stadium of the club, no? There were actually two teams in the 1990s and 2000s, Johor FA (currently Johor Darul Ta'zim - alaways played at Larkin) and Johor FC, which was bascially a feeder second team and played at Pasir Gudang. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:13, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

You've got it mixed up. The current JDT (main team) was actually rebranded from Johor FC, which was based at Pasir Gudang Stadium, not Johor FA. The original Johor FA (which played at Larkin) was restructured to become JDT II. I think you've misinterpreted the club's lineage Pasir Gudang was the primary home for the license that JDT holds today Soggy15 (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

The proof is in the league standings during the 2013 revolution. JDT played in the Super League immediately after the rebranding because they took over Johor FC's slot (which was a Super League team in 2012). Meanwhile, Johor FA (which played in the Premier League in 2012) became JDT II. If JDT had originated from Johor FA, they would have started 2013 in the Premier League, not the Super League. This confirms that JDT's primary lineage and its historical home ground is linked to Johor FC and Pasir Gudang Stadium Soggy15 (talk) 11:25, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Question regarding my edit on JDT page

"Hi, I noticed you reverted my edit regarding the rivalry between JDT and Negeri Sembilan. Could you let me know what was wrong with it? I'm trying to improve the 'Rivalries' section by adding information about the Southern Derby with neighboring states Soggy15 (talk) 11:56, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

I added Negeri Sembilan and Melaka to the 'Southern Derby' section because they share a geographical border with Johor. In Malaysian football, matches between these three southern states are collectively recognized as the Southern Derby. I can provide news citations to support this if needed. Let me know how to make this edit acceptable Soggy15 (talk) 12:00, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

I have a reliable source from Hot FM confirming that the match against Negeri Sembilan at Paroi is officially referred to as the Southern Derby (Derbi Selatan). Here is the link: https://www.hotfm.audio/lebih-22000-penyokong-telah-hadir-menyaksikan-perlawanan-derbi-selatan-di-stadium-paroi/

.Since the term is verified by the media, I am going to re-add Soggy15 (talk) 12:04, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

You need to add sources for every single sentence, not here on the talk but in the article, every bit of text need to be supported by reliable source which would confirm what is written in the Wiki article. If you write "The competition with Melaka United is characterized by high-intensity matches and a heated atmosphere" this needs a citation which would mention that, if you add "The clash represents the historical link and sporting competition between the two neighboring territories." this also needs a source which would directly support this, and "The animosity was often fueled by crucial knockout stage encounters and the movement of key players between the two sides" also needs a source talking directly about this etc., everything needs a citatiion. Snowflake91 (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

thank you for correcting me. I'm still new here and still learning the rules of Wikipedia sourcing. I'll make sure every single sentence is backed by a reliable source before adding it back. I appreciate your guidance Soggy15 (talk) 13:05, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

but, I still have one more question. I’m planning to add JDT's logo evolution. I have info on the logos from 1996 to 2012, but I’m stuck on the earlier PKENJ FC (1972–1995) era.

Since pages like Dortmund or PSG have such detailed histories, I’d love to get JDT's page to that level. Do you have any advice on how to find verified sources for the 1970s-80s logos? Also, I want to make sure I follow the 'Non-free content' rules correctly when I eventually upload them Soggy15 (talk) 13:08, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

The 1972–1995 and 1996–2012 logos are too similar to be called "evolution" anyway, maybe add only the first logo from 1972 and then the tiger logo (not the current one, the current one can be only in infobox at top of the page). Snowflake91 (talk) 13:14, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

ohh so the plan is to display the Johor FC logo first, followed by the 2013 JDT Tiger Soggy15 (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Yeah I already added it, the current logo should not be used outside of infobox. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:24, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, just a quick question for my own understanding. Why is the current JDT logo restricted to the infobox only? I noticed the PSG page uses their current-style logo in the evolution gallery as well. Is there a specific rule I should know about? and Is it okay if I add the specific years to the captions below each logo? and Is it okay if I add the specific years to the captions below each logo? and is Is it okay if I add the specific years to the captions below each logo Soggy15 (talk) 13:33, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

No non-free content images like logos can be used multiple times in one article, the PSG article is wrong and needs to be deleted from there as well. Snowflake91 (talk) 13:34, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Question

Hi im the one who added the kit manufacturer and sponsor table to the JDT page recently. I saw that you reverted it because it looked like 'original research' or was 'not needed.' Honestly, I spent quite a lot of time digging through old archives to find those details because I’m passionate about documenting the club’s history. I’m still quite new to Wikipedia’s formatting rules, so I might have overdone it with the table size. I really don’t want that info to go to waste. Could you help me understand how I can add this back—maybe in a shorter format or as a paragraph? Soggy15 (talk) 06:13, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Sponsorship tables are simply not needed and are not adequately sourced, footballkitarchive is not a reliable website and everything you've added is based on WP:OR. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:09, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I get the rules, but Johor FC didn't get much media attention back then, so finding 'reliable' digital sources is almost impossible. I put a lot of work into that table just to keep the history alive as a fun fact, and I see many other football pages doing the same.

If you think my sources are weak, can you suggest where I can find better ones? I don’t want this history to just disappear Soggy15 (talk) 13:12, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

We don't list "fun facts" just for the sake of adding something, it either needs to be sourced or it should not be there at all. And it doesn't matter what other clubs have because the content like this (tables listing shirt sponsors) is not supported by manual of style, so go and delete this stuff from other articles instead, especially if its unsourced. Snowflake91 (talk) 14:16, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

I get the rules, but it’s a shame to see local football history just deleted because it lacks digital records. Deleting is easy, but preserving history is what matters. Since Wikipedia style doesn't have room for this, I’ll find a better place to document it. Thanks anyway Soggy15 (talk) 14:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

PL Cup Final Attendances

I know it doesn't look necessary, but in my opinion the attendances for the youth championship games matter to me. I didn't appreciate my work being scrubbed as instantly as I started. Logan Z Man 2022! (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

What's the point of adding this, if for the half of the seasons the numbers aren't even reported, and then you have just "NA" (which is wrong formatting as well, as it should be "N/A" by the way)? Snowflake91 (talk) 14:28, 17 April 2026 (UTC)