Bell Labs Holmdel Complex is currently an Art and architecture good article nominee. Nominated by MiracleMiles (talk) at 01:32, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
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@MiracleMiles, thanks for adding images to the page - it's much appreciated. I've finished adding information about this page from the sources I had, but do you think anything major is missing from this article? If not, I can nominate this for good article status, with you as the co-nominator. –Epicgenius (talk) 02:01, 15 December 2025 (UTC)
@Epicgenius Many thanks for your research and contributions to this page as well. From what I know of this place, there is nothing major missing from this article now, feel free to nominate it for Good Article status. I might add some images and search around just to be sure in the meantime. Your work is also much appreciated, it would be an honor to be co-nominator with you! MiracleMiles➚ 01:00, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
Article should be split. Bell Labs Holmdel Complex and Bell Works
This article was historically Bell Labs Holmdel location from the beginnings of telecommunications with AT&T, Lucent Technologies, and Alcatel-Lucent ownership. Bell Works was designed as a retail and commercial hub by a company that bought the former facility and should just have a blurb in the main article that after the facility owned by the telecommunication companies was abandoned and re-utilized by Somerset Development. The current article is focusing on Bell Works and incorporating history that doesn't belong to Bell Works. It belonged to AT&T for the research and development as far back as the early facility prior to the Eero Saarinen architectural design. In New Jersey, the three major locations for Bell Labs were Holmdel, Murray Hill, and Whippany. The fourth major location was in Illinois at Indian Hill. In fact, there is not any great knowledge to be had to Bell Works, since it is a retail and commercial building. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-12931-07 (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
I don't see the benefit of doing that, since it would make the article more confusing. This article is talking about the site and the Eero Saarinen building used by both Bell Labs Holmdel and Bell Works' Holmdel location. The other Bell Labs locations are mentioned in other articles. Other articles about redevelopments (e.g. Domino Sugar Refinery) do not split out pre- and post-redevelopment histories. The site is discussed here to give context to the Bell Labs Holmdel/Bell Works building, but the article is basically about Saarinen's building and the campus immediately surrounding it, which was planned as an integral part of Saarinen's design. The new developments (i.e. housing) at Bell Works Holmdel is described only in passing.In fact, there is not any great knowledge to be had to Bell Works, since it is a retail and commercial building. - The history of Bell Works' Holmdel location is that of Bell Labs Holmdel, because they occupy the same building. Bell Works also has other locations in another Fort Monmouth and Chicagoland, but as you indicate, they're probably not notable (and may merit one sentence at most in this article, if even that). If the Bell Works locations were notable, then perhaps we can split these out, but the Holmdel facility belongs as one page. –Epicgenius (talk) 13:37, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
Per WP:OTHERSTUFFGENERAL, we should try not to directly compare the two situations. But since I expanded the TWA articles as well, I can explain why the TWA pages are two different articles while Bell Labs Holmdel/Bell Works are the same. In the case of TWA, multiple new facilities were added as part of the hotel's development, so the scopes of the Flight Center and the hotel don't really overlap. They do share the Flight Center's headhouse, but the architecture of the historic headhouse is described only in the Flight Center article. The hotel facilities are described in the hotel article, since the hotel includes two new towers and various other spaces that aren't part of the Flight Center. Because the hotel contains significant amounts of new facilities, there is little overlap between the two articles. (However, this could have gone either way; the hotel could have been combined with the Flight Center's article if both pages had been shorter.)Bell Labs/Bell Works is not directly comparable to TWA. The entire Holmdel campus of Bell Works is located within the historic Bell Labs Holmdel site, rather than involving significant new development. Splitting out Bell Works would result in substantial duplication, unlike the hotel and Flight Center, since these pages would discuss the same building, just during separate eras. Bell Labs Holmdel's transformation to Bell Works is more comparable to the Domino Sugar situation I mentioned above. However, Bell Works has multiple campuses, so it is true that Bell Works as an overall brand could be split out. –Epicgenius (talk) 15:46, 26 April 2026 (UTC)
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